EMS on the Hill

Paul can't remember the steamer port size but I am pretty sure it is into the pump with out a valve. there are additional 2 1/2 intake ports I do not know how well any would draft.

No matter what I say my wife, after 10 years of me in the Fire service, will recognize Fire equipment, but will humor me and let me haul it 1500 miles anyway.:biglaugh:

She is wonderful and long suffering.:D

Fire Apparatus should be Red and should have a federal Q2B siren.:D
 
I do not remember a primer pump on the unit so I do not think we will be doing any effective drafting. The protocol I would promote in any circumstance would be to establish one 1 1/2 inch line on a perimeter defense and then get the dust buster to pump direct into the top of the pumpers supply tank with a 2 1/2. That would give us 2500 gallons to work with. The thirst quencher would add another 1800 gallon supply in back up and could pump direct also with a 2 1/2. If the cavalry has not ridden into the battle by then it probably won't matter.

If we succeed in what it seems we are shooting for and get a first response unit together for the show we may need to think of two separate facilities for the fire department. A small steel sided building out of the main fray of the show but still accessible and the period fire hall we are talking about for the more vintage equipment to reside.

At any rate this is more active discussions on all of these fronts than I have heard since I have been on the show grounds. I hope it all takes off and develops the way I know it can in the coming years. We should start thinking about a meeting at the hill some weekend this summer to get some live discussion going.:bannana:

Rick
 
Ems

Guys;
Happy New Year!!
I'm thinking that the Hawley engine, if not having a geared primer pump, may be primed by either the exhaust or engine vacumn ( subject to being told that I'm out of my mind). When I joined the Prophetstown Dept., our older engines were of the 1958 to 1966 range, with Barton-American front mount pumps. The primers worked off engine vacumn off the intake manifold.
In our area, we have a former Rock Falls Fire Department firefighter who started his own business servicing/repairing fire apparatus. Jerry ( who also owns one of the first International Harvester delivery trucks) is certified in pump repairs of any fire pump obsolete, or now on the market. He calls his business " Preventative Maintenence Service", or "PMS" for short (you can do your own one-liners). He and others taught me a lot about priming at a fire scene, and not losing water to the guys at the end of the hose.
I am asking him to help me with a more large-area search for equipment.
My wife is a long-suffering lady also. I'm thankful that she only rolls her eyes when I talk about bringing the equipment.
My only ideas, for now, of a building for permanent housing of the Hawley engine, is to place the structure more in an "open" area. Maybe, across the road from the fire tower. Also; the constuction of the building is not limited to a pole-barn structure.

'Nuff said for now.
Paul
 
Paul,

I know the styles of primers you are talking about. I have been an apparatus operator on the ERFD for fifteen years now. I have two sons on the entry team both RIT trained. I am very aware of the need to keep the hose hard!!

That is why I say that feeding the tank from the other water trucks is simple and easy to train people to do.

A dedicated well trained operator can prime from a drop tank with just tank supply but it gets tricky and your valves have to be in good shape. I Feel we need to keep to the KISS principal and make the protocol something anyone can set up with minimal training.

Rick
 
Happy New Year to all.
I have contacted Life flight out of Fargo and they would love to come to the hill this spring and give a demo (yes they will bring a helicopter) They would give us a presentation about how they work and what they would need from us. I think we should schedule this presentation when the majority of the board and as many EMS members as possible could be present. Any suggestions as to a date would be appreciated. Also i am trying to gather a list of names and email addresses of members who are EMS trained so we can continue this conversation. You can contact me directly at [email protected].
It sounds like we have a lot of fire fighters and equipment on the grounds as well and I for one would like to be more up to date on our equipment operation.

Jeff
 
Good job Jeff,

We have an all day meeting coming up for the BOD and I will bring it up. I have been through their LZ management course three times now and I always get something new out of it.

They have had to land on the grounds before and the choice of LZ's was poor! They set them down on the gravel near the blue water tower which was OK for the open area but the sand that tore loose put the chopper down for maintenance. We want to serve them better than that as they serve us.

I guess I would like to see if we could get a first response group together face to face on the grounds to talk some of these things over and then make a plan. I am thinking that we should shoot for mid to late July for a lifeflight training but it is too early to give them a firm date right now.

I am glad you will take the lead in gathering the names.

Any one that sees this post that has any ratings (EMT, First Responder, Firefighter, RIT, Apparatus Operator, First Aid, Etc.) please E-mail or PM Jeff as noted in the previous post.

Getting a list together is a good Idea. We will put this on the list of announcements for the safety meetings this year and that should get us some more response also.

Rick
 
EMS on the hill

Helicopter Landing Zone -- You never know when it will be needed;
This organization has so many different types of talent and the people who can use it.
Those with vision or a good imagination -- some early morning when all is calm, pull up on the top of steamer hill and survey the grounds. Is there a hill which could be flattened, or a valley which could have some fill, without creating other problems. How much area is needed for the landing zone and a safe approach. How will the touch-down point be marked.
Those who know soil -- what kind of soil and cover can be used for a firm ground even if there is a lot of rain.Would some form of drainage need to be utilized.
The equipment to do the work -- WMSTR has equipment on the grounds to do what is needed, or members seem to find out where a needed piece can be borrowed. The last I knew, the Case roller was certified for steam-up. Could it be used to pack the base of the landing zone.
Just ideas for thought.
Paul
 
A permanent LZ is an interesting thought.

The minimum is 100 ft diameter. There should be no wires or other overhead hazards near. Marking should be the universal H and we would need to have a wind sock or the LZIC would still have to designate wind direction. I will talk to Mark K about getting a radio programmed for their frequency. Even though the local authorities would have it on their radios one radio with their frequency would be good.
 
We periodically train with Airlift NW ( our medivac service ). We also set up designated LZs in the Fire District including GPS so we could tell the chopper exactly where to land. One of our SOPs is to wet down the LZ to reduce the amount of sand and gravel flying up.
 
That certainly would have helped but with our surface on the grounds it will still be a potential hazard to the bird and the spectators which there will certainly be many.
 
hose appliances

I stopped at the Prophetstown fire station today. I talked with the captain and came home with some toys.
I was given; 3 - Akron, Imperial 60/95, adjustable fog nozzles and 2 - 4" to 2 1/2", double female steamer fittings. All our district engines are now 5" and 2 1/2" pump suctions. They do not have any 500 gal. drop tanks anymore. However; there are 3 - 1,000 gal. tanks at the Hooppole station for anyone who wants one. The smallest one in the district is 1,500 gal. The newest tender carries a 3,200 gal. one.
Need a new swimming pool?
Paul
 
A 1000 gallon tank would probably be an overload for your camper ladder!
 
could we work with the ems that staffs the show to train some people as first responders. I am a first responder where I work and we do monthly training sessions, all of the ert (emergency response team) are cpr and aed trained.
Just a thought.
sign me up If you get that started.

slugger
 
Rollag EMS

I am Anne Elton, Larrys wife and have been involved in EMS for over 30 years as a member of Hawley Rescue,
I have been on numerus calls to WMSTR during the year not only during the show.
I am also active with this new group who is trying to get an AED for on the grounds
We have talked with HERT Hawley Rescue to see if we can go through their medical advisor and get to be able to give O2 if needed it is a drug and without his permision we cold not give O2.
WMSTR is in Barnesville ambulances territory and also in HERT's district so both respond when dispatched by the county.
Barnesville ambulance is advanced life support if there are perimedics on duty other wise they are basic life support and in a severe case FM ambulance is dispatched
We are also planning on talking to LIFE FLIGHT as to a landing Zone on or near the grounds.
Thank you for giving us some thought on this as we would like to help in any way we can
Anne L. Elton
 
Hi all
Where did the summer go?
We are still trying to gather equipment for the EMS group.
When would be a good time to schedule landing zone training.
I would like to have as many people as possible in attendance for the training. So any suggestions as to a date would be appreciated.

Thanks
Jeff
 
To get the most people involved I would suggest that we try it on Saturday afternoon/evening the weekend before the show. What do others think?
 
Ems on Hill

Sat the 23rd of Aug would be a good day to set up L Z AND GET THE CREW TOGETHER
I called their office and need to call again unless someone else has or wants to contact them for when Lifeflight can come
I will be bringing a HERT Rig to nursing home day so we have equipment to use that day and camping on the Horse camp on Mondsy and maybe Tues evening.
Anne L. Elton
 
How are things progressing. I was unable to make the show. Was there a meeting? If so how did it go and what was discussed?
 
I never heard about a meeting but I may have missed it if there was one. I was pretty tied up with the Dust Buster from Wed. before the show until Monday of the show.
 
LZ Training

Hi Folks
Just a quick note, in contact with life flight they cannot setup LZ training on the weekend and suggested Monday Aug 3 as a possible date. They do classroom from 6-7:30
How many could make it on such short notice.

Jeff
 
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